Thursday, May 22, 2008

Unintended consequences

Increase In Drunk Driving Fatalities Followed Ban On Smoking In Bars

ScienceDaily (May 21, 2008) — A ban on cigarette smoking in bars is meant to save lives by reducing patrons’ exposure to secondhand smoke. But it may actually be having an unintended consequence, according to a study done at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (UWM).

By comparing data from a variety of locations around the United States where laws requiring smoke-free bars exist with locations without bans, economists Scott Adams and Chad Cotti found a relative increase in fatalities caused by drunk driving following ban enactment.

The results of their study appear in the June issue of the Journal of Public Economics and have also been reported in the May issue of The Economist.

While the results at first seemed surprising to Adams, a UWM assistant professor of economics, and Cotti, now at the University of South Carolina, literature on consumer behavior suggests an explanation: Smokers are willing to drive longer distances to an establishment that allows smoking.

“Like they would to buy fireworks, lotto tickets or, in some cases, alcohol, people will often go to a neighboring jurisdiction that doesn’t have a ban,” says Adams. The number of smokers willing to drive extra distances offsets any reduction in driving from smokers choosing to stay home following a ban, he adds.

Using fatalities as a gauge in the study is more accurate than using data on DUIs, since drunk-driving laws are not uniformly enforced, he says.

The study’s evidence suggests that consumers are driving longer distances to smoke and drink, but this does not exclude other potential explanations.

“We can’t rule out the explanation that smoking bans might reduce the propensity to drink in moderation,” Adams says, “But in each and every instance of ‘border shopping’ we found, the increase in fatalities was true.”

The study is the second on the topic of smoking bans for the pair of economists. The first study focused on whether smoking bans have an effect on bar employment. Results from that study showed that restaurants were helped by smoking bans, especially in warmer climates and in warmer months. But bar employment fell.

They then decided to examine the effect of the bans on drunk driving, says Adams. “The thinking was that the bans might have additional health benefits if there’s a reduction in driving associated with it.”

It still appears that the positive health effects of smoking bans outweigh the negative, he says, but the real conclusion is that a universal smoking ban would eliminate the danger of people trying to avoid the individual bans.

Twenty states have universal bans, and Gov. Jim Doyle has proposed one for Wisconsin.

Adams and Cotti have begun a new study to see if smoke-free bars are associated with evidence of a reduction in heart disease. Preliminary evidence strongly suggests it does.

“I view economics very much as a social science – the costs associated with people’s behavior,” says Adams, who specializes in health and labor economics. “Public economists are concerned with the externalities and whether what affects you also has an impact on others – without those costs being accounted for.”

16 comments:

  1. You would think in this day and age, after years of the "don't drink and drive" message being out there people wouldn't get behind the wheel regardless of whether the bar was 100 metres up the road or 20 km's away.....

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  2. yes you would think so but apparently those ppl didnt get the memo. This reminded me of what I heard on the news this morning well actually yesterday but the result came out today. A young man was on his way home from the prom the other night and a of course Drunk Driver hit his truck. The boy was in a coma but the family decided over night to take him off life support. He was only 17. These kinda of stories just never seem to get any better.

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  3. Some people just want to have a cigarette with their beer, me being one of them. I already blow off breakfast joints that don't allow smoking, they can't have my dollars anymore, I would rather go to an establishment wher I can smoke.

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  4. We don't have that luxury any more, you can't smoke inside any bar or club. Most places do provide an outside area to smoke though.
    As we don't smoke inside at home anyway I don't find that too much of a hardship to bear.

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  5. I just love how some people think we are just one more government ban away from being some sort of utopia. So far the authors of this study have found that a smoking ban is having a direct correlation in people dying and in costing people in the bar industry jobs. Three cheers for the nanny state, hip hip hooray!!!!!

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  6. Actually (as a smoker myself) I have to say it is much nicer to walk into a club or a bar since the smoke free bans were implemented here. As well as the obvious health benefit of not inhaling 2nd hand smoke you don't wake up to that stale smoke smell, on your clothing or hair, the morning after a night out. If I find that distasteful as a smoker I can't imagine what it felt like for staff or other patrons that don't smoke.

    There has been no noticeable downturn in bar industry jobs since the bans were put in place here.

    The study may have found a direct correlation between non smoking bans and drunk driver fatalities, however it kind of reminds me of the argument I believe you used recently "guns don't kill people, people kill people" I could say the same about non smoking bans. Personally I'm all for them!

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  7. I have to say that both as a smoker and someone that works in a bar, the non-smoking rules are actually a good thing. The club I work at has purpose built a smoking area for the poker machine players and the every time I walk in there I am nearly knocked over by the smell of 2nd hand smoke. and it reminds me how much clubs and pubs used to stink before the ban. As for a downturn, there has been no noticable drop in patronage.

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  8. I argued that you don't ban things simply because some people use them irresponsibly. One doesn't ban cars simply because some people drive like idiots, similarly I wouldn't ban guns simply because some people are irresponsible with them. I have no problem with lincensing or testing of people who use either to make sure that they are capable of handling either cars or guns in a responsible manner, I am just not ready to punish the many for the actions of a few.

    If a business decides that they don't want to cater to smokers, that is fine, I have no problem with it. Me as a person, I just won't go there, maybe they will make up that business in people who like a non smoking atmosphere, I just haven't seen that yet. For all of the glowing reviews of how great business picked up in NYC after they instituted a smoking ban, coffee shops and bars saw their business fall by 40%. Likewise talk of a ban here in Pennsylvania has led some businesses to beat the Christmas rush so to speak and started banning smoking and the results have been less than stellar. A restaurant across from one of my bus stops, Palimino, reported to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review that after they went non smoking, their revenues were off by $3000 a week. That's $156,000 a year for thsoe playing the home version, money that can't be spoent on things like hiring people.

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  9. ok point taken about the gun issue ~ I was just stirring lol.

    I noticed that you mentioned you are not for punishing the many for the actions of a few. But that's exactly what you are condoning by being in support of smoking in a confined space. There is no doubt that 2nd hand smoke can lead to serious illness and death. Does your right to smoke outweigh someone's else's right to socialise or eat in a fresh air environment? I don't think it does, your (and I use that term meaning "all" smokers) habit impinges on the other people around you.

    I for one am glad that the bans were introduced as a universal law here, you don't have the choice to go down the road or across the street to another place where you can smoke so there hasn't been any real change in patronage. There may have been a small downturn with people perhaps choosing to socialise more at home where they can smoke, but it doesn't appear to have affected bar revenues.

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  10. Just on the non smoking issue. In clubs in NSW, most clubs experienced a 40% loss of profit for the first 1/4, when the total non smoking issue came into force. However smart clubs, knew this was going to happen (which kept me very busy last year), and 98% of clubs introduced outdoor smoking area's. What we used to call beer gardens. The bigger clubs actually introduced outdoor gaming area's and these have proven to be the busiest area's of the club. After the initial downturn in profit, clubs started seeing a resurgance in profit and most renovated their club, spending millions of dollars. For the most part this has seemed to curtail the loss of profit and the punters are also very happy. In fact most clubs have generated new business as not only have the smokers come back, but non smokers who previously wouldn't go to a club because of the passive smoking issue are now enjoying themselves in a smoke free enviroment. If the venue's in the USA were to do this, instead if whining about the bans, then I'm sure that they would also enjoy the benifits.

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  11. No, what I am condoning is the freedom for a business owner to determine their clientele. If they wish to have a non smoking establishment, they are more than welcome to, they just won't get my dollars. Maybe someone will step in the void and take my place now that a place is non smoking, but I would rather leave that to the business owner to decide. Likewise if someone doesn't want to go to a business that caters to smokers, they are not compelled to, they can opt to go some place else.

    If we are going to go off of the potential harm caused to others, then I am sure you are mulling the idea of banning cell phones as well, as numerous studies have shown that they can cause cancer, and why should someone be allowed in public with a device that could poison me? Just as you may not want second hand smoke, maybe I don't want to be irradiated in a second hand manner.

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  12. But everything causes cancer Matt lmao

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  13. Actually cell phone emissions do greatly concern me, I could happily live without a cell phone. Back home cell phone towers are prohibited on school property because of possible health effects. But for every expert that tells us they are harmful the billion dollar industries that sell them have their own experts rubbishing their claims. Whilst I accept that cellphones may be harmful to the actual user I'm still waiting to see if EMR's will actually be proven to be harmful to bystanders.

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  14. And cancer causes global warming, lol.

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  15. Shit I got it backwards, I thought global warming caused cancer lmao

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  16. And global warming keeps these threads going LOL

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